[Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?

Thu Mar 7 05:41:39 PST 2019

We just had to drop from full title list to a subset as of 2019, with
tokens, so I just recently investigated some of this. No, there is still no
mediated option for tokens, nor any way for librarians to control how they
get used - anyone in our IP range accessing any eligible content can
trigger them with no limits.  There is no such "filing cabinet". I can't
speak to pricing or expiration because our consortially negotiated deal
just gives us a fixed amount of tokens per year as part of a subscription
package, so there is no separate price for the tokens themselves.  We have
no budget to purchase more after those are used up, so I haven't looked at
what it might cost us to get more.
I don't even know if we can get any kind of report on what
journals/articles they are used on.

Melissa Belvadi
Collections Librarian
University of Prince Edward Island
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM J Siemon <jsiemon2002 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone seen changes in the American Chemical Society's token access
> since this eril-l discussion in May 2018?
>
> Is ACS offering the tokens that can be mediated by staff (like Elsevier)?
> Is there a "filing cabinet" (like IEEE) where the library only pays once
> for each article, and have perpetual access thereafter, for a certain
> number of saved articles?
> Pricing? Caps on increases? Longer expiration of tokens?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Siemon, M.Div.,MLS  |  Assoc. Professor, Electronic Resources
> Librarian  |  Nicholson Library
> Anderson University  |  1100 E. Fifth St, Anderson, IN 46012
> josiemon at anderson.edu | library.anderson.edu  |
> www.linkedin.com/in/JeffSiemon
>
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>
> > *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> on behalf of Jackie S.
> > DeLong <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:45 AM
> > *To:* eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
> > *Subject:* [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
> >
> > I have suggested to American Chemical Society adding a pay-per-view
> option
> > instead of their subscription packages.  I?m told they don?t offer that
> > option.  I?m just wondering, how many schools out there would be
> interested
> > in a Pay-per-view option of ACS titles?  We are a very small school, and
> > the prices for ACS are not sustainable and are very hard to justify
> outside
> > accreditation requirements.  I?m feeling very frustrated actually.  Am I
> > the only one??
> >
> > Venting, and also want to see how many others feel the same way and what
> > you have done to offset the cost.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jackie DeLong
> > *Director of Resource Management*
> > *Miller Library | Washington College*
> > 300 Washington Ave. Chestertown, MD 21620
> > (410) 778-7278 | jdelong2 at washcoll.edu
>
> " The other thing that drives me nuts is that every time a person opens an
> article from an ACS journal that needs a token for access, counts as one
> token. This is problematic!!! Students will open another browser, reopen an
> article multiple times, share a link with a classmate, or if a single
> article is posted on a course page or used in class, the single article
> could result in 100s of openings without actually reading the article. Each
> of ?usages? counts as a token."
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:45:07 -0500
> From: danielle plumer <dcplumer at gmail.com>
> To: "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
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> > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > ?They do sort of have a pay-per-view option, by purchasing groups of
> > tokens. They are also not cheap. I'd be more interested in notifying our
> > patrons which titles are included in our subscriptions and which ones are
> > not. We have the Academic Collection w/250 tokens, but there's no way to
> > indicate to users which ones we have access to and which will use a
> token.
>
> > Leslie D. Burke
> > Collection Development & Digital Integration Librarian
> > College Library
> > Kalamazoo College
> > 1200 Academy St.
> > Kalamazoo, MI 49006
> > Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu
> > ph: 269.337.7144
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 14:56:01 +0000
> From: Theresa Borchert <borchert at cord.edu>
> To: Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>, "Jackie S. DeLong"
>         <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>, "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org"
>         <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
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> We had to drop from full access to a few titles and the token option a few
> years ago. I identified our ?owned? titles in WorldCat KB so when finding
> ACS titles in WorldCat Discovery patrons will only get full-text links to
> ACS titles we have access to. I also talk with our Chemistry faculty and in
> classes about this problem. However, this does not help token access for
> direct access at ACS website and SciFinder Scholar. Google Scholar is a bit
> better since our on-campus computers are set with our College settings in
> Google Scholar.
>
> The ACS costs are prohibitive and unrealistic. Any percentage increase is
> unsustainable on budgets that have not had increases in years. Just do the
> math! Our savings a few years ago are now totally eaten away.
>
> The other thing that drives me nuts is that every time a person opens an
> article from an ACS journal that needs a token for access, counts as one
> token. This is problematic!!! Students will open another browser, reopen an
> article multiple times, share a link with a classmate, or if a single
> article is posted on a course page or used in class, the single article
> could result in 100s of openings without actually reading the article. Each
> of ?usages? counts as a token.
>
> sigh
>
> Theresa Borchert, Librarian
> Concordia College
> Moorhead, MN 56562
> 1-218-299-3235
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 12:21:47 -0300
> From: Melissa Belvadi <mbelvadi at upei.ca>
> To: Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>
> Cc: "Jackie S. DeLong" <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>,
>         "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
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> Just took a look at our last invoice for Web Editions and our 2017 COUNTER
> JR1, and we're running about $6 per ft use, so I'd guess they would not be
> willing to have a pay per view below that.
> Most of us probably can't reveal our actual contract price (nondisclosure
> agreements) but I don't think anything prohibits us from sharing our cost
> per use, so I'd be interested in how ours compares with others.
> We're a small university, under 5,000 FTE, without a graduate level program
> in chemistry.
>
> Melissa Belvadi
> Collections Librarian
> University of Prince Edward Island
> mbelvadi at upei.ca 902-566-0581
> --------------
> Lots of libraries sharing cost per use numbers from $6 to $47.
>
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> On May 10, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Karen Jensen <kljensen at alaska.edu<mailto:
> kljensen at alaska.edu>> wrote:
>
> ... Those of us without opportunities to be part of these [consortia]
> systems have little bargaining power, especially since the same body that
> accredits our program sells us the content required for accreditation. How
> far is this really from a protection racket? But ACS members won't change
> it. In theory they could, right? It's a membership organization? There are
> more benefits to members than libraries see, apparently.
>
> Karen Jensen
> Collection Development Officer
> Rasmuson Library
> University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 907-474-6695
> kljensen at alaska.edu<mailto:kljensen at alaska.edu>
> --------------
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:24:36 +0000
> From: Michael Qiu <M_Qiu at acs.org>
> To: Karen Jensen <kljensen at alaska.edu>
> Cc: "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
> Message-ID: <318F4384-F69D-4413-9239-F73B7A8E2526 at acs.org>
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>
> Hi all:
>
> My name is Michael Qiu and I?m the Library Relations Manager with ACS
> Publications. My role is to ensure your issues and concerns are addressed
> and shared with the appropriate people at ACS. I?m not a sales rep, nor do
> I know much about your pricing, tokens, packages, etc. I encourage all of
> you to reach out to your Account Managers to discuss any issues you might
> have around pricing, usage, etc. They are the best equip to help answer any
> of your questions and do not hesitate to ask them about different options.
>
> As a former academic librarian, I do understand there are some
> misconceptions around the ACS Approved Degree program. I wanted to provide
> some insight and links for more information.
>
> The Committee on Professional Training (CPT) is an ACS member based
> committee that sets the guidelines for approved bachelor?s degrees. ACS is
> not a degree accrediting body, therefore it?s called an approved degree.
> These guidelines are set by the members of the committee who are
> professors, instructors, etc. at colleges and universities.
>
> In 2015, the committee updated their guidelines, including the
> requirements for chemistry information resources. There is no requirement
> for ACS specific journals, but to have a suite of journals that cover the
> diverse nature of the chemical sciences from any publisher. There is more
> information on the guideline, section 4.4, page 8.
>
> CPT HomePage:
> https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/about/governance/committees/training.html
> (PDF) Degree Approval guidelines:
> https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/about/governance/committees/training/2015-acs-guidelines-for-bachelors-degree-programs.pdf
>
> I encourage anyone with feedback on the guidelines to contact the ACS
> Office of Professional Training. They have a dedicated email address,
> CPT at acs.org<mailto:CPT at acs.org>, to help answer any questions.
>
> If you ever need anything from ACS, please do not hesitate to reach out to
> me, your Account Manager, or our Customer Support & Services team. All my
> contact information is below, including my direct phone number.
>
> Best, Michael
>
> Michael Qiu, MLIS
> Library Relations Manager
> American Chemical Society, Publications Division
> 1155 16th Street NW | Washington, DC 20036
> Phone: +1 (202) 872-6386
> Mobile: +1 (202) 281-9115
> Email: M_Qiu at acs.org<mailto:M_Qiu at acs.org>
> ----
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:49:11 +0000
> From: "Beth M. Johns" <bmjohns at SVSU.edu>
> To: "Jackie S. DeLong" <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>,
>         "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
>
> We subscribe to a package through our consortium. In my opinion, it gets
> good usage, though I'd need to look more closely to see which titles are
> actually being used (maybe it's just a few over and over? I don't really
> look unless someone higher up asks me to do so. ).  I've heard about the
> token approach, but would be interested in learning about a pay-per-view
> option if ACS would like to seriously discuss that option.
>
> Beth M. Johns, MLIS
> E-Resources Librarian
> Saginaw Valley State University
> Melvin J. Zahnow Library
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