[Eril-l] limiting Kanopy
Eric Elmore
Eric.Elmore at utsa.edu
Wed Mar 27 14:28:50 PDT 2019
I don’t pin all failures on library school, just the one. ….Well, it would have been nice to have learned marc before I got out into the job market. My cataloging class was much more along the lines of cataloging appreciation than anything else☺
Our counterparts that go through the business masters programs come out with an entirely different viewpoint and I just wish I’d had one course on swimming in shark infested waters while bleeding profusely. ☺
Happy Wednesday ya’all☺
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Eric Elmore |
Electronic Resources Coordinator |
The University of Texas at San Antonio |
One UTSA Circle |
San Antonio, TX. 78249-0671 |
(O)210-458-4916/(F)210-458-4577 |
Eric.elmore at utsa.edu<mailto:Eric.elmore at utsa.edu> |
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From: Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> On Behalf Of Angela Galvan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:06 PM
Cc: eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
Subject: Re: [Eril-l] limiting Kanopy
Eric,
While I deeply agree with your point: libraries do have significant power in negotiations, that power only comes from the ability to say no. At many universities that's simply a nonstarter in spite of resource management professionals attempting to have this discussion for years.
We can't pin all failure in libraries on a 2 year program, when decision makers often have decades of experience. It's easy to blame educators, and quite difficult to enact change the way many of us would like to see.
Angela Galvan
Eresources Manager
Brown University Library
eresources at brown.edu<mailto:eresources at brown.edu>
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:30 PM Eric Elmore <Eric.Elmore at utsa.edu<mailto:Eric.Elmore at utsa.edu>> wrote:
The only problem with that, and complaining at our reps, is that the folks who we get to interact with have almost no power to make meaningful changes. The folks who have the power to make the changes we want very definitely DO NOT mix with the unwashed masses at public engagements such as conferences. That's why I encouraged everyone to speak with the only language the decision makers hear and understand, $$$. When enough institutions cancel their programs and/or severely restrict their spend with Kanopy will they take notice and adjust.
*climbs on soapbox*
It's one of the great failings of library school that they don't teach us the most important of hard truths about capitalism and how the libraries are the ones who actually have the power in this relationship. In a capitalist system power resides with the one who has the money. Elsevier, Wiley, Kanopy and the rest only make the amounts of money they make because we allow them to. If we all decided we weren't going to pay the rates they charged, they would adjust or cease to exist.
*climbs off soapbox*
Happy Wednesday all:)
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Eric Elmore |
Electronic Resources Coordinator |
The University of Texas at San Antonio |
One UTSA Circle |
San Antonio, TX. 78249-0671 |
(O)210-458-4916/(F)210-458-4577 |
Eric.elmore at utsa.edu<mailto:Eric.elmore at utsa.edu> |
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From: Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org>> On Behalf Of Mark Gooch
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:18 AM
To: eril-l at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
Subject: Re: [Eril-l] limiting Kanopy
For those attending the ACRL conference next month, Kanopy will have a booth there and we can stop and share our concerns with them. Maybe if they hear from enough of us they will reconsider their approach to academic libraries.
Thanks
Mark
On 3/26/19 9:39 AM, Kenneth D Rosenberg wrote:
> Hi Alison and All,
>
> I have been following this discussion as we too are in the same boat as almost everyone in that the Kanopy model is just unsustainable and I feel that they are not very responsive. It is interesting that a large number of Academic Institutions have the same experiences and complaints, but Kanopy does not seem to want to work with us.
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> This is why I find Alison's comment below very interesting. You seem to be saying that Kanopy says that they can indeed give academic libraries the same access agreement that public libraries have, but they have decided they won't because of the student who might need a required video at 1am. While I am not sure if this would actually save us money in the long run, what right is it of Kanopy to decide how we supply access to our population. If there was a video that was required to view we would in some way purchase it to make it available, and if the student knows at the beginning of the semester they need to watch X,Y,Z for their class and they have 6 views per month then there is no problem.
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> The more I hear the more frustrated I become.
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> Thanks
>
> Ken Rosenberg
> Acquisitions Librarian
> Queens College
> Benjamin Rosenthal Library 201B
> Queens, NY 11367
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> Tel: 718-997-3721 Fax: 718-997-3789
> kenneth.rosenberg at qc.cuny.edu<mailto:kenneth.rosenberg at qc.cuny.edu>
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> From: Eril-l [mailto:eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org>] On Behalf Of
> Ambi, Alison
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:42 PM
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> Subject: [Eril-l] limiting Kanopy
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> We too have just been forced by runaway expenses to start mediating our Kanopy purchases.
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> Kanopy explained that limiting by user was too problematic in an academic setting where students might be required to watch films for course assignments. It would be especially frustrating if a student was prevented from doing their homework at 1:00 AM because they had exceeded their Kanopy limit! In a public library setting where we can assume that most viewing is recreational these types of restrictions are more practical.
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> The Kanopy PDA sales model is clearly not sustainable for many libraries, and our current migration en masse to mediated purchasing is surely going to start hurting their bottom line. The mediated approach is not great either, and results in a significant drain on staff time. I hope they find a way to adjust their model so that we can all continue to provide this often unique content to our students and faculty!
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> Alison
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> Alison Ambi
> Head, Collections Strategies
> Memorial University of Newfoundland
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> From: Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org>> On Behalf Of Mark Gooch
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:37 AM
> To: Amy Lynn Fry <afry at bgsu.edu<mailto:afry at bgsu.edu>>; Eril-l at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:Eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] limiting Kanopy
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> I find the responses Amy received to be interesting. Did they explain why they were able to load patron accounts for public libraries but not academic libraries? I wouldn't expect the numbers to be much different. I don't know the language they used but their lack of interest to create additional options in support of academic libraries says a lot.
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> So far (knock on wood) we have been able to continue with unmediated access. We are spending about $1,500-$2,000 per month. We have been able to accommodate this so far as we have reduced the number of DVDs we have purchased and we discovered an endowed fund we can use to also assist with these costs. We did send out a communication to faculty and staff explaining the cost for Kanopy titles. We had one faculty member respond how good the Kanopy collection was and she had planned to watch a number of films (for personal enjoyment) but wouldn't now that she was aware of the pricing.
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> Maybe this is a bit much but if Kanopy continues to be unwilling to better accommodate academic libraries, maybe we should all move to mediated access which could have some financial impact for them and send a message.
> On 3/13/19 4:07 PM, Amy Lynn Fry wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone out there had come up with a way to limit Kanopy use successfully. What did you do? How much did it make a difference to your spend?
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> Evidently, for public libraries, Kanopy loads all patron accounts and libraries can limit each person to a certain number of streams per month. I asked Kanopy about that at ER&L last week and they said there was no way that would be possible for academic libraries.
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> I also asked if they had thought about making ways for us to limit besides only by subject or provider, and they said no and that they weren't interested in creating additional options.
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> Without other good alternatives, we are planning to change our entire Kanopy profile to mediated after this semester and thereafter only approve license requests made by faculty and perhaps graduate students.
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> Has anyone else made this switch?
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> What about alternatives to Kanopy? The content and access are good and obviously filling a need in our user population, but Kanopy's business model is just not a good fit for our budget limits. Is there another service that could be a substitute?
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> Amy Fry
> Associate Professor, E-resources Librarian Jerome Library Bowling
> Green, OH 43403 afry at bgsu.edu<mailto:afry at bgsu.edu><mailto:afry at bgsu.edu<mailto:afry at bgsu.edu>>
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