[Eril-l] FW: Kanopy vs. campus streaming?

[Bee Bornheimer]

Those of you discussing Kanopy in recent threads may be interested in
participating in this Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything) with Stephan Richard
<https://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/9rf7q2/announcement_ama_with_kanopy_cpo_stephan_richard/>,
the Chief Product Officer for Kanopy.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Huber, Sara H. <sarai at ou.edu> wrote:

> We’ve also seen a huge increase in our spending for Kanopy. A big issue
> for us, as Theresa mentioned, was that we already had access to many of the
> titles being triggered (AVON, DVDs, etc,). At times, it caused us to be
> charged anywhere from $1500-$2500 a month for duplicated titles. We reached
> out to Kanopy to see if something could be done to address this and they
> have a de-duplication policy that we were unaware of - if you claim any
> titles that you have elsewhere with a screenshot or permalink from your
> catalog within two weeks of your invoice, they will verify and then refund
> the cost of that film. It made a big difference for us on our monthly
> invoices and allowed us to keep PDA going about a month longer than we
> would have been able to otherwise based on our planned budget. We switched
> to the mediated model on Oct. 1st and so far faculty/students have been
> very understanding and Kanopy has been extremely fast in providing access
> to titles as we purchase them. One complaint we have gotten several times
> from faculty since starting the mediation model is that they got used to
> being able to preview titles in the PDA model before using it in their
> class. There are no previews with mediation and they want to be able to
> preview a film to make sure it would work for their class before we
> purchase it. It would be nice if this was something that Kanopy could
> address.
>
>
>
> Sara Huber
>
> Acquisitions Librarian
>
> University of Oklahoma Libraries
>
> sarai at ou.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> *On Behalf Of *
> Arndt,Theresa
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 9:06 AM
> *To:* eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Eril-l] FW: Kanopy vs. campus streaming?
>
>
>
> Ditto for us – dramatic increase in costs, and we’re a small liberal arts
> college without a film studies major.  Based on titles triggered, I think
> much of the use is curricular or related to college programs, but I’m
> pretty sure some is personal/recreational, which we unfortunately cannot
> afford to support.   I was most recently alarmed by triggers over the
> summer for each episode of Ken Burns’ Civil War series – Kanopy charged a
> separate license fee for each one-hour episode!  And we have access to that
> same content 3 other ways already that would have had no additional cost to
> the library.   Checking a sample of around 100 of our Kanopy triggers
> showed around 25% overlap with our fixed-cost subscription access options.
>
>
>
> I recently had a long conversation with a Kanopy rep, and (doing her job)
> she tried to convince me this wasn’t really a problem and to just shift
> money from other resources, since Kanopy is what our users obviously want.
> Following that conversation, the Kanopy folks sent me some detailed use
> data and said that we could “curate” our access, which means changing some
> producers to mediated access, while leaving others open for PDA.  For
> example, we might leave the Criterion Collection films (Kanopy has about
> 60% of those) running on PDA, but require mediation for PBS content.   I
> haven’t made adjustments yet, as I need to find time to examine the data
> more carefully.   We’ve hesitated to go the all-mediated route, but I’m
> appreciative of those who’ve shared their experience with that approach.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, we started communicating with our faculty about how the
> Kanopy funding model works, and asking them to please check our flat-rate
> subscription streaming packages first (AVON, Films on Demand), or ask a
> librarian for help finding the most cost-effective access.   We also put
> notes to this effect on our database listings and libguides.   We’ve gotten
> positive feedback from faculty who say they will be mindful of this to help
> to contain costs.
>
>
>
> - Best, Theresa
>
>
>
> Theresa Arndt, MLS
>
> Associate Director for Library Resources and Administration
>
> Library and Information Services
>
> Dickinson College
>
> P.O. Box 1773
>
> Carlisle, PA 17013
>
> voice:  717-245-1750
>
> fax:  717-245-1439
>
> arndtt at dickinson.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> *On Behalf Of *van
> Sickle, Jennifer
> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2018 9:08 AM
> *To:* eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
> *Subject:* [Eril-l] FW: Kanopy vs. campus streaming?
>
>
>
> Our use of Kanopy and streaming video has also gone up significantly, as
> faculty from all disciplines are using it for teaching purposes.  We don't
> think the services are being misused, but it's definitely having am impact
> on our already lean budget.  We haven't put any limits on use yet and will
> hold off as long as we can.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
> Jennifer L. van Sickle M.L.S.
>
> Science and Electronic Resources Librarian
>
> Trinity College Library
>
> 300 Summit St.
>
> Hartford, CT USA 06106
>
>
>
> 860-297-2250
>
>
>
> Jennifer.vansickle at trincoll.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> on behalf of Trisha Burr
> <tburr at macalester.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:34 PM
> *To:* eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
> *Subject:* [Eril-l] Kanopy vs. campus streaming?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if there are any libraries that have reached out to other
> departments on their campus about providing institutional streaming for
> students?
>
>
>
> I ask this in relation to Kanopy since we have seen a dramatic increase in
> Kanopy usage. While we're happy that folks are using this resource, there's
> also the question of whether or not the library is the clear choice to be
> paying for this. I'm only aware of Swank and HBO Go that provide campus
> streaming.
>
>
>
> My thinking is that the library could still license films for classroom
> use but maybe "entertainment" streaming could be paid for by student life
> or something similar.
>
>
>
> Do others have thoughts about this?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Trisha
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Trisha Burr*
>
> Electronic Resources Librarian
>
> DeWitt Wallace Library
>
> 651-696-6749 | tburr at macalester.edu
>
> 1600 Grand Avenue
>
> Saint Paul, MN 55105 USA
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