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This was a great discussion, and I'm glad we are not alone! We, too, seem to have decent coverage of news items in NexisUni etc., but there is mounting frustration with the faculty who see an article from a publisher online, assume we have that article because
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We haven't encountered this problem yet, but I've also seen recently that NYTimes is going to require a subscription in order to access their podcast content. I foresee more of this level of nickel and diming as print continues to decline. </div>
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Welcome to CAIS 2025!<br>
The Canadian Association for Information Science (CAIS/ACSI) is pleased to announce its 53rd annual conference to be held in a hybrid format at Dalhousie University, in the beautiful and vibrant oceanside city of Halifax, Nova Scotia from May 27-29, 2025.<br>
This year?s conference is hosted by the Department of Information Science of Dalhousie University.<br>
We look forward to welcoming you to Halifax!<br>
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* Submission deadline: January 8, 2025, midnight Pacific Time.<br>
* Notification of acceptance: No later than March 15, 2025.<br>
* Submission of final versions: No later than April 30, 2025.<br>
* Conference: May 27-29, 2025.<br>
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* Philippe Mongeon, Dalhousie University<br>
* Maddie Hare, University of Ottawa<br>
* Geoff Krause, Dalhousie University<br>
* Constance Poitras, Universit? de Montr?al<br>
* Poppy Riddle, Dalhousie University<br>
* Sandra Toze, Dalhousie University<br>
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Bienvenue au congr?s de l?ACSI 2025<br>
L?Association canadienne des sciences de l?information (ACSI/CAIS) est heureuse d?annoncer son 53e congr?s annuel qui se tiendra en format hybride ? l?Universit? Dalhousie, dans la belle et dynamique ville c?ti?re de Halifax, Nouvelle-?cosse, du 27 au 29 mai
2025.<br>
Le congr?s de cette ann?e est organis? par le D?partement des sciences de l?information de l?Universit? Dalhousie.<br>
Nous avons h?te de vous accueillir ? Halifax!<br>
Dates importantes<br>
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* Date limite de soumission : 8 janvier 2025, minuit heure du Pacifique.<br>
* Notification d?acceptation : Au plus tard le 15 mars 2025.<br>
* Soumission des versions finales : Au plus tard le 30 avril 2025.<br>
* Congr?s : 27-29 mai 2025.<br>
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* Philippe Mongeon, Universit? Dalhousie<br>
* Maddie Hare, Universit? d?Ottawa<br>
* Geoff Krause, Universit? Dalhousie<br>
* Constance Poitras, Universit? de Montr?al<br>
* Poppy Riddle, Universit? Dalhousie<br>
* Sandra Toze, Universit? Dalhousie<br>
Contactez-nous<br>
Pour plus d?informations, contactez-nous ? l?adresse suivante : conference@cais-acsi.ca<mailto:conference@cais-acsi.ca>.<br>
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I don't know how comprehensive it is, but our NewsBank subscription includes the text of online-exclusive articles from major newspapers (not magazines like the Atlantic, though). That's caused some confusion however because the content tends to be divvied
up 3-4 in knowledge bases: there are links/catalog records for the daily newspaper content (i.e. what's printed for the traditional newsstands), for the online-exclusive content, for the weekend edition content, etc). The division makes sense from a cataloging
perspective, but it can seem convoluted for researchers and general readers. But perhaps they can be compared somehow?<br>
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The #1 reason I've been asked about subscribing directly to a news provider is access to photos, graphs, and interactive data visualizations. Those are elements we can't get through an aggregator, and some newspapers have increasingly used them to enhance
or anchor their articles. As the content becomes more visual, the text-only articles at Nexis Uni or NewsBank can seem insufficient to some. But at the same time, the demand for that specific content isn't so high that the costly subscriptions seem justified.<br>
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--Seth<br>
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Head of Acquisitions & Collections Services<br>
Ohio University Libraries<br>
Athens, OH 45701<br>
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I did not see any responses to this, so thought I'd throw in my two cents on this topic. We also are receiving "pressure" both from the vendors (most recently Atlantic) and faculty (trying to get to exclusive web content). ILL staff are also frustrated when
they cannot fulfill requests for these articles. For what it's worth, we are saying "no" to starting these subscriptions, particularly where there is large overlap with our other access for that publication. We communicate our reasons to our faculty, and
I tell the vendor reps our reasons as well:<br>
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We tell faculty the annual cost of a "web subscription" (thousands of dollars) and that it would gain access to very little content we don't already have<br>
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In some cases we had previously purchased and own the online archive/backfile, so that being 'thrown in' by the publisher is not a benefit for us.<br>
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We often already have access to formally packaged 'issues', including the latest packaged issue, in full-text databases (e.g., EBSCO databases).<br>
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We additionally often have access to much of the content through Nexis Uni.<br>
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I realize that these news publications are struggling, and they do good work, but our library cannot pay repeatedly for large amounts of overlapping content on different platforms. And the quotes we are getting for web access at around $5,000/year for EACH
of these newspapers/news magazine site licenses is not something we can afford.<br>
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Maybe if enough libraries say "no" and tell the vendor reps why, they will figure out some alternatives that might be mutually beneficial - e.g., a much lower subscription rate if library also has large content overlap through other means (owned or subscribed),
or we might be willing to pay a reasonable amount for individual purchase of "exclusive" online articles to supply through ILL to our patrons.<br>
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Best, Theresa<br>
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Theresa Arndt<br>
Dickinson College Library<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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Does anyone know how to ascertain how much content from popular source magazines and news is not getting pushed to aggregators? For example, we have felt pressure to purchase site licenses to newspapers and popular source magazines like The Atlantic because
there is a lot of "online exclusive" content that is not being pushed to aggregated databases that support content from that publisher. I'm just curious to know if there is a way to determine how much content is now considered "online exclusive" and not covered
by our aggregator subscriptions. I'd also be interested to hear about any of your anecdotal experiences with this as well!<br>
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Thanks!<br>
Britt<br>
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Brittany Mountford<br>
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Make an Appointment<<a href="https://belmont.libcal.com/appointments/bmountford">https://belmont.libcal.com/appointments/bmountford</a>><br>
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Lila D. Bunch Library<br>
Phone: 615.460.8905<br>
Email: brittany.mountford@belmont.edu<mailto:brittany.mountford@belmont.edu><br>
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We've having a weird billing issue with FTSE Russell over our Mergent subscription. Our subscription period should have ended July 31st 2024 according to our last invoice from them. However, we've yet to receive an invoice for the new subscription period. I've
reached out to the vendor several times, only to be told we don't owe anything yet and not to worry about it. The product is still up and running, which is good, but it's very strange.<br>
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To add to it, Mergent Online is being replaced by a new product, Mergent Market Atlas. We've been granted access to Atlas, and MO is still online. But the fact that we can't get them to send us a new invoice (or to explain why) is somewhat confusing. Anyone
else having this experience?<br>
<br>
Jon Hansen (he/him)<br>
Electronic Resources & Discovery Librarian<br>
Suffolk University<br>
617.973.1120<br>
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We are preparing to subscribe to our first of such web and app-based popular newspapers for the campus due to pressure from other campus entities. It seems that some departments/schools are basing semester-long projects on access to this content. At the same
time, the campus is getting more pressure to decrease the costs of course materials for the students. Thus, a campus-wide subscription managed by the library makes the most sense. Luckily, for the library, those same campus entities are willing to share the
cost with the library.<br>
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I'll also say, the cost per student for this particular major newspaper was much less than the first time we got a quote pre-2020.<br>
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Up to this time, the library had resisted supporting this type of subscription because we have so much of the content in our databases, but I'll echo what Seth said. The multi-media content, the ads, and the "games" were the reasons given to us as to why the
full access subscriptions were needed.<br>
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All the best,<br>
<br>
Christina Torbert<br>
Head of Continuing Resources and Acquisitions<br>
Liaison to departments of Philosophy, Religion, and Gender Studies<br>
J.D. Williams Library<br>
University of Mississippi<br>
P.O. Box 1848<br>
University, MS 38677<br>
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I don't know how comprehensive it is, but our NewsBank subscription includes the text of online-exclusive articles from major newspapers (not magazines like the Atlantic, though). That's caused some confusion however because the content tends to be divvied
up 3-4 in knowledge bases: there are links/catalog records for the daily newspaper content (i.e. what's printed for the traditional newsstands), for the online-exclusive content, for the weekend edition content, etc). The division makes sense from a cataloging
perspective, but it can seem convoluted for researchers and general readers. But perhaps they can be compared somehow?<br>
<br>
The #1 reason I've been asked about subscribing directly to a news provider is access to photos, graphs, and interactive data visualizations. Those are elements we can't get through an aggregator, and some newspapers have increasingly used them to enhance
or anchor their articles. As the content becomes more visual, the text-only articles at Nexis Uni or NewsBank can seem insufficient to some. But at the same time, the demand for that specific content isn't so high that the costly subscriptions seem justified.<br>
<br>
--Seth<br>
<br>
Seth W. Sisler (he/him)<br>
Head of Acquisitions & Collections Services<br>
Ohio University Libraries<br>
Athens, OH 45701<br>
(740) 593-2694<br>
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From: Eril-l <eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org>> On Behalf Of Electronic Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l<br>
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I did not see any responses to this, so thought I'd throw in my two cents on this topic. We also are receiving "pressure" both from the vendors (most recently Atlantic) and faculty (trying to get to exclusive web content). ILL staff are also frustrated when
they cannot fulfill requests for these articles. For what it's worth, we are saying "no" to starting these subscriptions, particularly where there is large overlap with our other access for that publication. We communicate our reasons to our faculty, and
I tell the vendor reps our reasons as well:<br>
<br>
<br>
We tell faculty the annual cost of a "web subscription" (thousands of dollars) and that it would gain access to very little content we don't already have<br>
<br>
In some cases we had previously purchased and own the online archive/backfile, so that being 'thrown in' by the publisher is not a benefit for us.<br>
<br>
We often already have access to formally packaged 'issues', including the latest packaged issue, in full-text databases (e.g., EBSCO databases).<br>
<br>
We additionally often have access to much of the content through Nexis Uni.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I realize that these news publications are struggling, and they do good work, but our library cannot pay repeatedly for large amounts of overlapping content on different platforms. And the quotes we are getting for web access at around $5,000/year for EACH
of these newspapers/news magazine site licenses is not something we can afford.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Maybe if enough libraries say "no" and tell the vendor reps why, they will figure out some alternatives that might be mutually beneficial - e.g., a much lower subscription rate if library also has large content overlap through other means (owned or subscribed),
or we might be willing to pay a reasonable amount for individual purchase of "exclusive" online articles to supply through ILL to our patrons.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best, Theresa<br>
<br>
<br>
Theresa Arndt<br>
Dickinson College Library<br>
arndtt@dickinson.edu<mailto:arndtt@dickinson.edu><br>
she/her/hers<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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Does anyone know how to ascertain how much content from popular source magazines and news is not getting pushed to aggregators? For example, we have felt pressure to purchase site licenses to newspapers and popular source magazines like The Atlantic because
there is a lot of "online exclusive" content that is not being pushed to aggregated databases that support content from that publisher. I'm just curious to know if there is a way to determine how much content is now considered "online exclusive" and not covered
by our aggregator subscriptions. I'd also be interested to hear about any of your anecdotal experiences with this as well!<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Britt<br>
<br>
<br>
Brittany Mountford<br>
<br>
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Like other institutions, the College of the Holy Cross has also encountered<br>
this issue. As mentioned before, aggregators only include print issue (and<br>
some online) articles. This has been true since the beginning. However,<br>
print publications have become much smaller with considerably less<br>
content--even articles. We also have been asked for articles via ILL that<br>
are only available in direct online subscriptions.<br>
Due to a variety of factors, we have done the opposite of others: we have<br>
started discrete subscriptions to some online sites (most recently *The<br>
Financial Times*) in order to access articles, graphics, financial data,<br>
and some video content. All of these subscriptions are a test. If there is<br>
low usa and/or little continued interest from faculty (and no class<br>
assignments), we will stop subscribing. And, we have a list of other titles<br>
that we could try in lieu of these titles.<br>
To my mind, online site content is the future of journalism and media. I<br>
hope that aggregators can renegotiate contracts to pick up more online<br>
content (not just print). Maybe education outreach to our faculty to<br>
explain the state of journalism and online content is the next step.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Judith<br>
<br>
--<br>
Judith Nagata (she/her)<br>
Electronic Resources & Serials Librarian<br>
Dinand Library<br>
College of the Holy Cross<br>
Worcester, MA 01610<br>
p: 508-793-2639<br>
e: jnagata@holycross.edu<br>
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 11:03?AM Electronic Resources in Libraries<br>
discussion list via Eril-l <eril-l@lists.eril-l.org> wrote:<br>
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> We are preparing to subscribe to our first of such web and app-based<br>
> popular newspapers for the campus due to pressure from other campus<br>
> entities. It seems that some departments/schools are basing semester-long<br>
> projects on access to this content. At the same time, the campus is getting<br>
> more pressure to decrease the costs of course materials for the students.<br>
> Thus, a campus-wide subscription managed by the library makes the most<br>
> sense. Luckily, for the library, those same campus entities are willing to<br>
> share the cost with the library.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I?ll also say, the cost per student for this particular major newspaper<br>
> was much less than the first time we got a quote pre-2020.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Up to this time, the library had resisted supporting this type of<br>
> subscription because we have so much of the content in our databases, but<br>
> I?ll echo what Seth said. The multi-media content, the ads, and the ?games?<br>
> were the reasons given to us as to why the full access subscriptions were<br>
> needed.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> All the best,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Christina Torbert<br>
><br>
> Head of Continuing Resources and Acquisitions<br>
><br>
> Liaison to departments of Philosophy, Religion, and Gender Studies<br>
><br>
> J.D. Williams Library<br>
><br>
> University of Mississippi<br>
><br>
> P.O. Box 1848<br>
><br>
> University, MS 38677<br>
><br>
> 662-915-7059 (o)<br>
><br>
> Pronouns: she/her<br>
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> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org> *On Behalf Of *Electronic<br>
> Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l<br>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 9:23 AM<br>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Eril-l] [External] Re: Online Exclusive Content v.<br>
> Aggregator Content<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> [EXTERNAL]<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I don?t know how comprehensive it is, but our NewsBank subscription<br>
> includes the text of online-exclusive articles from major newspapers (not<br>
> magazines like the Atlantic, though). That?s caused some confusion however<br>
> because the content tends to be divvied up 3-4 in knowledge bases: there<br>
> are links/catalog records for the daily newspaper content (i.e. what?s<br>
> printed for the traditional newsstands), for the online-exclusive content,<br>
> for the weekend edition content, etc). The division makes sense from a<br>
> cataloging perspective, but it can seem convoluted for researchers and<br>
> general readers. But perhaps they can be compared somehow?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The #1 reason I?ve been asked about subscribing directly to a news<br>
> provider is access to photos, graphs, and interactive data visualizations.<br>
> Those are elements we can?t get through an aggregator, and some newspapers<br>
> have increasingly used them to enhance or anchor their articles. As the<br>
> content becomes more visual, the text-only articles at Nexis Uni or<br>
> NewsBank can seem insufficient to some. But at the same time, the demand<br>
> for that specific content isn?t so high that the costly subscriptions seem<br>
> justified.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --Seth<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Seth W. Sisler (he/him)<br>
><br>
> Head of Acquisitions & Collections Services<br>
><br>
> Ohio University Libraries<br>
><br>
> Athens, OH 45701<br>
><br>
> (740) 593-2694<br>
><br>
> sislers@ohio.edu<br>
><br>
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><br>
><br>
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> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org> *On Behalf Of *Electronic<br>
> Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l<br>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2024 12:08 PM<br>
> *To:* Electronic Resources in Libraries discussion list <<br>
> eril-l@lists.eril-l.org><br>
> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Eril-l] Online Exclusive Content v. Aggregator<br>
> Content<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Use caution with links and attachments.*<br>
><br>
> I did not see any responses to this, so thought I'd throw in my two cents<br>
> on this topic. We also are receiving "pressure" both from the vendors<br>
> (most recently Atlantic) and faculty (trying to get to exclusive web<br>
> content). ILL staff are also frustrated when they cannot fulfill requests<br>
> for these articles. For what it's worth, we are saying "no" to starting<br>
> these subscriptions, particularly where there is large overlap with our<br>
> other access for that publication. We communicate our reasons to our<br>
> faculty, and I tell the vendor reps our reasons as well:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> We tell faculty the annual cost of a "web subscription" (thousands of<br>
> dollars) and that it would gain access to very little content we don't<br>
> already have<br>
><br>
> In some cases we had previously purchased and own the online<br>
> archive/backfile, so that being 'thrown in' by the publisher is not a<br>
> benefit for us.<br>
><br>
> We often already have access to formally packaged 'issues', including the<br>
> latest packaged issue, in full-text databases (e.g., EBSCO databases).<br>
><br>
> We additionally often have access to much of the content through Nexis Uni.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I realize that these news publications are struggling, and they do good<br>
> work, but our library cannot pay repeatedly for large amounts of<br>
> overlapping content on different platforms. And the quotes we are getting<br>
> for web access at around $5,000/year for EACH of these newspapers/news<br>
> magazine site licenses is not something we can afford.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Maybe if enough libraries say "no" and tell the vendor reps why, they will<br>
> figure out some alternatives that might be mutually beneficial - e.g., a<br>
> much lower subscription rate if library also has large content overlap<br>
> through other means (owned or subscribed), or we might be willing to pay a<br>
> reasonable amount for individual purchase of "exclusive" online articles to<br>
> supply through ILL to our patrons.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best, Theresa<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Theresa Arndt<br>
><br>
> Dickinson College Library<br>
><br>
> arndtt@dickinson.edu<br>
><br>
> she/her/hers<br>
><br>
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> *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org> on behalf of Electronic<br>
> Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l <eril-l@lists.eril-l.org<br>
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> *To:* eril-l@lists.eril-l.org <eril-l@lists.eril-l.org><br>
> *Subject:* [Eril-l] Online Exclusive Content v. Aggregator Content<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Does anyone know how to ascertain how much content from popular source<br>
> magazines and news is not getting pushed to aggregators? For example, we<br>
> have felt pressure to purchase site licenses to newspapers and popular<br>
> source magazines like *The Atlantic* because there is a lot of "online<br>
> exclusive" content that is not being pushed to aggregated databases that<br>
> support content from that publisher. I'm just curious to know if there is a<br>
> way to determine how much content is now considered "online exclusive" and<br>
> not covered by our aggregator subscriptions. I'd also be interested to hear<br>
> about any of your anecdotal experiences with this as well!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks!<br>
><br>
> Britt<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Brittany Mountford<br>
><br>
> Make an Appointment <<a href="https://belmont.libcal.com/appointments/bmountford">https://belmont.libcal.com/appointments/bmountford</a>><br>
> Electronic Resources Librarian<br>
> Lila D. Bunch Library<br>
> Phone: 615.460.8905<br>
> Email: brittany.mountford@belmont.edu<br>
><br>
> Belmont University<br>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:43:12 +0000<br>
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We?re working with Mergent to transition to Workspace Campus (like you alluded to, Mergent Online is sunsetting in May or June 2025).<br>
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We will be running Mergent Online and Workspace Campus concurrently starting in January.<br>
<br>
I can?t answer about your invoice issue (we did finally receive our Mergent Online renewal last April ? they really wanted us to transition to Workspace Campus last spring, but we pushed back and said we just needed to renew Mergent Online for another year
? I do remember that we received our renewal somewhat late).<br>
<br>
If you need a contact for a sales rep, let me know. Ours is for the southeast I believe, but I?m sure if you wanted to reach out she could direct you to whoever handles the northeast.<br>
<br>
Karen Schifferdecker, MSIS<br>
Electronic Resources Librarian<br>
Library Collections & Discovery<br>
Western Kentucky University<br>
karen.schifferdecker@wku.edu<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:53?AM, Electronic Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l <eril-l@lists.eril-l.org> wrote:<br>
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We?ve having a weird billing issue with FTSE Russell over our Mergent subscription. Our subscription period should have ended July 31st 2024 according to our last invoice from them. However, we?ve yet to receive an invoice for the new subscription period. I?ve
reached out to the vendor several times, only to be told we don?t owe anything yet and not to worry about it. The product is still up and running, which is good, but it?s very strange.<br>
<br>
To add to it, Mergent Online is being replaced by a new product, Mergent Market Atlas. We?ve been granted access to Atlas, and MO is still online. But the fact that we can?t get them to send us a new invoice (or to explain why) is somewhat confusing. Anyone
else having this experience?<br>
<br>
Jon Hansen (he/him)<br>
Electronic Resources & Discovery Librarian<br>
Suffolk University<br>
617.973.1120<br>
Jon.Hansen@suffolk.edu<mailto:Jon.Hansen@suffolk.edu><br>
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