<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>This question just came up for our campus this week so this discussion is very timely. We also have a lifelong learning institute located on our campus but students do not receive campus IDs. </div><div><br></div><div>The legal and financial issues are of interest to us. How would adding these groups factor into our existing license agreements, and annual subscription fees? Would they be considered part of our FTE numbers that vendors use for pricing? Many of these groups offer non-credit bearing classes and are not full time. How do others account for these groups in your license agreements, if at all?</div><div><br></div><div>As a small campus of only 2000 FTE, we are hesitant to allow for this but our institutional NY Times subscription is a major draw for these groups. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Nancy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:41 PM Electronic Resources in Libraries discussion list via Eril-l <<a href="mailto:eril-l@lists.eril-l.org">eril-l@lists.eril-l.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg8912227287172713516">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone tried doing something like this for ebooks (EBSCO, Ebook Central, etc.)?
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have a life-long institute affiliated with our university. Students that sign up for the courses offered are also not in Banner and do not receive credit. We offer them reading lists for print books that can be checked out, but we have
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">If you have an ezproxy system (or also I believe Open Athens - we use local-hosted ezproxy), you can easily create temporary username/password pairs directly in it that does not rely on your campus'
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