<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Page charges in society journals have a very long history, predating online journals. I’m not defending current practices, just pointing out that requiring authors to partially subsidize publication has been going on for a very long time. When commercial publishers started to move into the scientific publishing arena many decades ago, one of their inducements to authors was that they didn’t have page charges. They made up for it, of course, by having higher subscription fees.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Scott</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div data-pm-slice="1 1 []" data-en-clipboard="true" class="">T Scott Plutchak</div><div class="">Librarian</div><div class="">Epistemologist</div><div class="">Birmingham, Alabama</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:splutchak@gmail.com" rev="en_rl_none" class="">splutchak@gmail.com</a></div><div class=""><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4712-5233" rev="en_rl_none" class="">https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4712-5233</a></div><div class=""><a href="http://tscott.typepad.com" rev="en_rl_none" class="">http://tscott.typepad.com</a></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 15, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Crawford, Laurel <<a href="mailto:Laurel.Crawford@unt.edu" class="">Laurel.Crawford@unt.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi everyone,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’re all familiar with APCs for OA articles. I have encountered a situation I haven’t run into before: some journals are requiring authors to pay a fee to publish non-OA articles.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The examples we’ve found so far are all society journals in STEM fields. Some of them are published by one of the major publishers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fesajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com%2Fhub%2Fjournal%2F15409309%2Fresources%2Fauthor-guidelines-FEE&data=04%7C01%7CLaurel.Crawford%40unt.edu%7C77ff36ec07274329481e08d8e7cd7ebd%7C70de199207c6480fa318a1afcba03983%7C0%7C0%7C637514217107970326%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SeZaI2QIEkFt%2BBQ4NgytApQxEFS%2FJwDovvT2PXC4INk%3D&reserved=0" title="https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/hub/journal/15409309/resources/author-guidelines-FEE" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment</a>, Ecology Society of America<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">All publications from ESA - see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fesajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com%2Fdoi%2Ffull%2F10.1002%2Fbes2.1594&data=04%7C01%7CLaurel.Crawford%40unt.edu%7C77ff36ec07274329481e08d8e7cd7ebd%7C70de199207c6480fa318a1afcba03983%7C0%7C0%7C637514217107970326%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=XbMaxt8gjC4nKvKwBSWaF6YRwAss6aGQ6tb%2BoBOQtoA%3D&reserved=0" title="https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bes2.1594" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">Table 3</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of this article<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpphys.msubmit.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmain.plex%3Fform_type%3Ddisplay_auth_instructions&data=04%7C01%7CLaurel.Crawford%40unt.edu%7C77ff36ec07274329481e08d8e7cd7ebd%7C70de199207c6480fa318a1afcba03983%7C0%7C0%7C637514217107980318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FSch%2FFhY4y23IJSv5RHYqh31DYUg0AkUabhjYruoK3E%3D&reserved=0" title="https://pphys.msubmit.net/cgi-bin/main.plex?form_type=display_auth_instructions" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">Plant Physiology</a>, American Society of Plant Biologists - see section, Fees and Charges. <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">ASPB's journal,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftpc.msubmit.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmain.plex%3Fform_type%3Ddisplay_auth_instructions&data=04%7C01%7CLaurel.Crawford%40unt.edu%7C77ff36ec07274329481e08d8e7cd7ebd%7C70de199207c6480fa318a1afcba03983%7C0%7C0%7C637514217107990316%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=uxRg0ActNbeTtrXyvmVbPvx3OelHKRDie34enlQoKjU%3D&reserved=0" title="https://tpc.msubmit.net/cgi-bin/main.plex?form_type=display_auth_instructions" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">The Plant Cell</a>, also has charges for non-open access. See Policies and Fees.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="xmsonormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">AGU journals<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.agu.org/Publish-with-AGU/Publish/Author-Resources/Publication-fees" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.agu.org/Publish-with-AGU/Publish/Author-Resources/Publication-fees</a><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What’s bothering me about this is threefold:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Our authors might be paying these fees and then the library might<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">also</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>be paying for a subscription.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Large publisher conglomerates do not need “help making these subscriptions affordable” (as one of the above publishers claims). The library is already paying—collectively—a huge amount of money to provide access to these articles.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Not all of them seem to be up-front about the fee structure. I spoke to at least one researcher who had passed through the acceptance and copy-edit stages before realizing a large fee was required for paywalled publication. We believe not disclosing that information on their website or submission guidelines is unethical according to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublicationethics.org%2Fresources%2Fguidelines-new%2Fprinciples-transparency-and-best-practice-scholarly-publishing&data=04%7C01%7CLaurel.Crawford%40unt.edu%7C77ff36ec07274329481e08d8e7cd7ebd%7C70de199207c6480fa318a1afcba03983%7C0%7C0%7C637514217107950341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6Vwi9%2FwoGVZelzaocEsAre6KraByPAxm8%2Fk4EzsndY4%3D&reserved=0" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">COPE guidelines on transparency</a>. <o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Have others encountered this situation? Have you addressed it with the publisher? I am curious about the rationale for this, faculty attitudes toward this type of fee, and what, if anything, you believe libraries can do to advocate for authors.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks in advance!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(82, 82, 74);" class="">Laurel Sammonds Crawford, MLIS</span><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(82, 82, 74);" class="">Head of Collection Development<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(82, 82, 74);" class="">University of North Texas Libraries</span><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><a href="mailto:laurel.crawford@unt.edu" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">laurel.crawford@unt.edu</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(82, 82, 74);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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