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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Thank you for all the information you found and shared. I look forward to reading the article you sent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">I have found so far that things (mostly pictures) that have been redacted from the article view are available in the page and issue view. I know this does not cover freelance articles – does anyone know of an
example article that is in the microfilm that was left out of Historical Newspapers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Kristin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#142142">Kristin Rogers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Eril-l [mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Oberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 11, 2017 5:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> eril-l@lists.eril-l.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Eril-l] New York Times historical newspapers (PQ) vs Microfilm<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my search to find more detail about this longstanding issue I ran across this lengthy online article from
<i>Searcher</i> from back in 2002. It’s a bit painful to read due to its format but hey, at least it’s still around.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/mar02/kenney.htm">http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/mar02/kenney.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One possible takeaway for me from reading this piece is that the presence or absence of a freelance writer’s article in the ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times does not necessarily prove that the digitized version is faithful
to the original, since it’s possible that such an author might have agreed to redistribution rights. A different freelance author who didn’t though, will likely not have an article present in the digitized version since, as the above article notes:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“…failure to delete freelancer contributions after the holding in Tasini may allow freelancers to argue that publishers are knowingly disregarding the law and are liable for enhanced damages for willful infringement (up to $150,000 or $300,000
per article, depending on when an article was published and registered).”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Again, someone who’s better informed or who has sources, please correct me. It’s an important issue in my own mind since my library was one of those who chose to discard its extensive backfile of microfilm for the NYT when it purchased
ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (before my time), because of what I think was an erroneous belief that there was complete coverage. It could be argued that this isn’t an enormous loss, regardless, and it was worthwhile to do for other reasons.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve Oberg <<a href="mailto:steve.oberg@wheaton.edu">steve.oberg@wheaton.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 11, 2017 at 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>eril-l <<a href="mailto:eril-l@lists.eril-l.org">eril-l@lists.eril-l.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Eril-l] New York Times historical newspapers (PQ) vs Microfilm<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Nikki and others,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">This is a situation that cries out for more clarity, that’s for sure. I genuinely wish to know the answer – this is not mean to be argumentative at all. Here’s my understanding:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The original microfilm version of the NYT faithfully reproduced the original, yet. That microfilm formed the basis for creating the digital version, also yes. But my understanding was that after the Tasini case,
in the digital version, articles and other materials that were problematic from a copyright perspective were removed. Also, microfilm produced subsequent to that case no longer faithfully reproduced the original in its entirety – in other words, stuff was
excluded that was problematic.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Those libraries that had microfilm holdings that were produced prior to the Tasini case were “safe” in that they still held material that faithfully reproduced the original.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Again, that’s been my understanding for a very long time, and if that’s incorrect, or there are important missing details, I’m glad to be corrected. I did some quick searching around for sources for either your
understanding or mine, and I didn’t come up with anything definite just yet, so I remain curious.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Eril-l <<a href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org">eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org</a>> on behalf of Nikki DeMoville <<a href="mailto:ndemovil@calpoly.edu">ndemovil@calpoly.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>eril-l <<a href="mailto:eril-l@lists.eril-l.org">eril-l@lists.eril-l.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Eril-l] New York Times historical newspapers (PQ) vs Microfilm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Hi all,<br>
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I think the presence/absence of freelance articles, ads, etc. is down to the presentation in the database (and how the source was licensed). In the case of PQ's NYT Historical database, they've actually reproduced the<b> original microfilmed pages in their
entirety.</b> This gets around the Tasini case because the articles aren't removed from the context of the collective work and also happily means that ads, letters, and even features like the crossword are present. Full text databases, including some of
PQ's other newspaper databases, that do not feature a full "page view" PDF and just have the text of the article, are the ones to be careful about when withdrawing print/film.<br>
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As always, do your homework and check carefully. I just did a search in our PQ NYT Historical and found an article by Jonathan Tasini himself, complete with an ad for the Helmsley Palace (comparing it to the Taj Mahal--how delightful).<br>
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Nikki<br>
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<b>Nikki DeMoville</b> <br>
Coordinator - Electronic Resources, Acquisitions, and Resource Sharing <br>
Robert E. Kennedy Library <br>
California Polytechnic State University <br>
San Luis Obispo, California <br>
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Direct 805-756-5780 <br>
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On 12/11/2017 12:04 PM, Steve Oberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Kristin,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Yes, indeed there are differences. As I understand it this is due to the Tasini case, for one thing. So those libraries that threw away their microform holdings in favor of ProQuest Historical Newspapers access
are in for a bit of a surprise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Steve Oberg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">Assistant Professor and Group Leader for Resource Description and Digital Initiatives</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">President,
<a href="http://www.nasig.org/">NASIG</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Eril-l <a href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org">
<eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org></a> on behalf of Kristin Rogers <a href="mailto:kerogers@olemiss.edu">
<kerogers@olemiss.edu></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 11, 2017 at 1:58 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>eril-l <a href="mailto:eril-l@lists.eril-l.org"><eril-l@lists.eril-l.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Eril-l] New York Times historical newspapers (PQ) vs Microfilm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Hi!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79">We have recently purchased the New York Times perpetual access through ProQuest Historical Newspapers. Has anyone experienced redacted articles, articles, pictures etc. that were not
available on the page or issue view? Are there ads, articles, pictures in the microfilm that are not in the online version.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Thank you!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Kristin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#142142">Kristin Rogers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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