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<div>Just a note to express gratitude to everyone who responded. Your responses were very helpful, particularly Sandra’s. I’ve contacted SFX to request an update for this particular target.</div>
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<div>The broader issue of maintaining multiple KBs continues to vex, though, and I’m not convinced that there is a great solution, one-size-fits-all solution.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Sandra Wong<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 3:47 PM<br>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">A group of us in Canada who are responsible for consortia package lists for inclusion in link resolver services have noticed discrepancies in the lists among all of the KB/link resolver services even though
each service provider receives the exact same list from the consortia. </div>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">Reasons for possible discrepancies that we've deduced include: </div>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">1. Update scheduling - how often does the KB/link resolver service update their lists? and how soon after getting the update. Also how do they update the target? With an overlay for new data or complete overhaul
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">2. KB/link resolver service may add value by making edits to the original list - to include title changes not accounted for in the original list. <span style="font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt;">Other
services may simply add the data as received without any further editing. </span></div>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt;">I think in your situation regarding PsycBooks from EBSCO - there is possibly a problem with the SFX target. It probably needs to be updated
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">My institution loads MARC records for PsycBooks (because there are no serials in that collection, so we don't use the KB for that) and we have over 4000 MARC records in our catalogue for PsycBooks. So 2000+
seems like a really low number to me for PsycBooks.</div>
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<div style="background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">A check on another KB service has 3600+ titles for the same database - also all books (no serials) - so I'd suggest contacting SFX to update their target. </div>
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<b>From: </b>"Steve Oberg" <<a href="mailto:steve.oberg@wheaton.edu">steve.oberg@wheaton.edu</a>><br>
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<div>Jill’s idea of KBART comparisons is spot on, and it’s something I’ve worked quite a bit on. Yes, this can be done for both SFX and OCLC. As helpful as KBART is, it’s not the complete answer, though. As an example of what I mean, you might think, ok, both
accept KBART, so why not update one KB with the KBART output of the other? This simply doesn’t work, for a variety of reasons.</div>
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<div>Some of those reasons have already been articulated in other replies. KB vendors simply do not count things in the same way across the board. And the ways in which those KBs are wired to do what they do makes a big difference in terms of how they are created
and maintained. For example, in the OCLC realm, the OCLC number is extremely important. Not true in the SFX realm (although technically one can assign an OCLC number to a title).</div>
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<div>As noted before, I’ve done a lot of work to compare/contrast — even just at the collection level — these two different KBs. They are actually quite different, more so than you might suspect. I completely agree in theory to the principle of simplicity —
just choose one and stick with it. But I’d say that this assumes we are comparing the same things in terms of content coverage, and basically, we are not. At least, I can say that for OCLC vs. SFX.</div>
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<div>I have also found vast disparity between how quickly one KB gets updated vs. another and cannot give a definitive answer to which vendor does a better job of managing their data. I will see that the method used by SFX is much more comfortable for me because
it gives me a lot more control as needed, at a local level, than OCLC WMS KB can possibly do.</div>
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<div>But let me clarify that I’m not trying to point fingers or focus on one vendor vs. the other, but rather, trying to understand why KB discrepancies occur in general. Your responses thus far have been very helpful. I’m also interested in how others successfully
manage to juggle the maintenance of more than one KB at a time, however success is defined.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 2:50 PM<br>
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Eril-l [<a href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org">mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Donley, Leah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:53 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Eril-l] KB discrepancies</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">In addition to everything mentioned so far, I’ve worked with publishers and
KB providers in the past to correct title lists for collections. I suspect that when this happens, the KB feeds aren’t always updated (or maybe not updated for all KB providers, not exactly sure how that works), because we’ve switched providers a few times
and often a collection I’ve corrected with one provider will not be correct in the new provider’s KB.
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Eril-l [<a href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org">mailto:eril-l-bounces@lists.eril-l.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jill Emery<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 08, 2015 1:59 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">is it possible to get the KBART feeds for both knowledgebases? That may explain the difference. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Both companies endorse KBART so that may help get to the bottom of this situation.</p>
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4. Conference proceedings and monographic serials can be a mess</p>
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Yet the number of individual titles within each varies wildly. Here's a specific example: SFX has a target for EBSCOHOST_PSYCBOOKS that has 2,183 portfolios. The same thing in OCLC WMS KB (called a collection, with title, EBSCOhost PsycBOOKS) has 4,021 titles
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Simon Fraser University Library <br>
8888 University Drive<br>
Burnaby, BC Canada V5A 1S6<br>
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Email: <a href="mailto:swongj@sfu.ca">swongj@sfu.ca</a> or <a href="mailto:lib-licensing@sfu.ca">
lib-licensing@sfu.ca</a> <br>
Phone: 778.782.4930 <br>
Fax: 778.782.3023<br>
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