[Eril-l] [EXTERNAL] Re: EBSCO Education Source retrieving fewer search

Fri Jun 6 09:02:18 PDT 2025

The case number about my search in CINAHL I have open with Ebsco is 6185026.
 But I just looked at the status and it is now closed. ...I guess I need to
reopen it

Kris

On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:59 AM Electronic Resources in Libraries
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> We also experienced the same issue related to the "K-12 students AND
> meditation (no quotation marks)" at UCCS Kreaemer Family Library.
>
> *eric.ed.gov <http://eric.ed.gov/>* = 507
> Proquest eric = 6
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> By the by, when using EDS’s “natural language” search, what happens is
> that your search terms are run through a large language model to turn them
> into a Boolean string. That’s the “refined query” that you could click
> through to, I think. Then that Boolean string is searched as usual by
> EBSCO’s regular old search algorithm & index. I imagine you are seeing so
> many more results in when using this mode because the Boolean has a bunch
> of OR statements.
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> Jaime Taylor
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> This is an interesting discussion, especially with the uncertainty around
> ERIC's status.
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> I searched for k-12 students AND meditation  (no quotation marks) in
> Education Research Complete and initially got 0 results. I then toggled on
> the Natural language search and got 2,421 result. See screenshot below. I
> had a similar experience in ERIC on Ebsco.  Are you seeing this Natural
> language option in the EBSCO UI?
>
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>
> Anne
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> We noticed this some time ago (and with ProQuest's ERIC as well) and never
> got a satisfactory response from either Ebsco or PQ. Would love to know
> what you all learn.
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> We are seeing this problem too.  Kris what's the EBSCO case number so I
> can have EBSCO technical support add us to this case.
>
> One of our librarians just compared *eric.ed.gov <http://eric.ed.gov/>* and
> EBSCO eric:
>
> I searched for k-12 students AND meditation  (no quotation marks)
>
> *eric.ed.gov <http://eric.ed.gov/>* = 507
>
> EBSCO eric = 34
>
> Thanks
> Joyce
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> Dear List,
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> A colleague at my institution reports that the Education Source database
> on EBSCOhost is retrieving far fewer results than expected.
>
> For example, a "Find all my search terms" search for [k-12 students AND
> meditation] currently returns 47 results, when in the past the same search
> has retrieved up to 20,000 results.
>
> Has anyone else noticed such a discrepancy?
>
> Thanks!
>
> John Holm (he/him)
> E-Resources & Discovery Librarian
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> Hi John-
>
> I saw this same situation when I ran a search I do each year in Sport
> Discus.  It was also off by thousands.  I opened a case at Ebsco and they
> are investigating it.
>
> Kris
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> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 3:11?PM Electronic Resources in Libraries
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> > Dear List,
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> >
> > A colleague at my institution reports that the Education Source
> > database on EBSCOhost is retrieving far fewer results than expected.
> >
> >
> >
> > For example, a ?Find all my search terms? search for [k-12 students
> > AND meditation] currently returns 47 results, when in the past the
> > same search has retrieved up to 20,000 results.
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed such a discrepancy?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > *John Holm* (he/him)
> > E-Resources & Discovery Librarian
> >
> > University of St. Thomas Libraries | *library.stthomas.edu
> <http://library.stthomas.edu/>*
> >
> > *john.holm at stthomas.edu <john.holm at stthomas.edu>* | (651) 962-5009 |
> OSF Library 155
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