[Eril-l] Google Scholar adding EBSCO links that don't work

Fri Dec 13 08:34:09 PST 2019

So I was thinking that it would be a good thing if GS did not show a link from an aggregator if it was also applying a link resolver to your search results, assuming that a link resolver would have complete holdings for aggregators, but I saw this article in that search
The Sandy Hook effect: Preventing highly improbable mass murders like that at Sandy Hook Elementary School is impossible, but there are things we can do to …<https://go.galegroup.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA326851945&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10639330&p=AONE&sw=w>
M Shermer<https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=FzF2IvAAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra> - Skeptic (Altadena, CA), 2013 - go.galegroup.com
… again in 2010 (McDonald v. Chicago) (34) that the Second Amendment's guarantee of the right
to "keep and bear arms" includes handguns … (4.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/
blogs/thinktanked/wp/2012/12 /19/after-sandy-hook-what-can-be-done-to-curb-gun-violence …
Cited by 8<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=15795293909795791220&as_sdt=5,47&sciodt=0,47&hl=en> Related articles<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=related:dOFEuB8oNNsJ:scholar.google.com/&scioq=sandy+hook+gun+control&hl=en&as_sdt=0,47>

Where our link resolver indicates we have it, but since the link resolver is wrong about the start and stop dates, the Full Text from VTS link is wrong, and we don’t actually have access.

So for that and a lot of other reasons,

  1.  We should not rely only on our link resolvers
  2.  Even so, they’re a better bet that the rest of the links, so they should have a distinctive icon that we teach students to recognize (ours doesn’t yet), and
  3.  It would be nice if GS could label the Open Access links as OA, so that people would know whether to expect a paywall or not.

Just my off the cuff thoughts,
Cindy
From: Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> On Behalf Of Harper, Cynthia
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 11:16 AM
To: Melissa Belvadi <mbelvadi at upei.ca>
Cc: James C. Miller <millerjc at hollins.edu>; eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
Subject: Re: [Eril-l] Google Scholar adding EBSCO links that don't work

My error. I thought that GS was indicating the EbSCO link was in our holdings as indicated by our linkresolver, because the link to the right said “PDF ebscohost”,  I don’t see a link that takes me to EDS, where they could get an interlibrary loan form.  This is what I see after following the ebscohost link.
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Since Sandy Hook: Strategic Maneuvering in the Gun Control Debate.

  *   Source: Western Journal of Communication . Mar/Apr2017, Vol. 81 Issue 2, p225-242. 18p.
  *   Author(s): Eckstein, Justin; Partlow Lefevre, Sarah T.

  *   Abstract: In the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre President Barack Obama and Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the National Rifle Association, engaged in a critical discussion on the future of gun reform. Obama started by assuming that guns are the cause of violence, thus advocating for more gun control. LaPierre argued for more guns to stop violence, assuming that guns are passive instruments without agency. Yet, despite the public outcry for action, the gun debate continues unabated. Using strategic maneuvering as an analytic framework, we assess both parties’ “reasonableness” in the public discussion and uncover the moves that preclude resolution. Neither Obama nor LaPierre was reasonable because they ignored the other’s starting point. We propose cross arguing, or arguing from an interlocutor’s starting point, as a method to move this and other intractable debates forward.
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Maybe because I’m primarily searching religion subject area, I don’t remember seeing these links for aggregator content when it doesn’t match my linkresolver content.  Maybe that’s why one person recommended we put in a parameter for our GSid (I have yet to find out what ours is).  I’m sure there are developments in Google Scholar that I’m not aware of.

Sorry if I seemed critical.
Cindy Harper

From: Melissa Belvadi <mbelvadi at upei.ca<mailto:mbelvadi at upei.ca>>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Harper, Cynthia <charper at vts.edu<mailto:charper at vts.edu>>
Cc: James C. Miller <millerjc at hollins.edu<mailto:millerjc at hollins.edu>>; eril-l at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
Subject: Re: [Eril-l] Google Scholar adding EBSCO links that don't work

Do you not have access to the full text or not even the metadata through EBSCO?
It seems a bit, well, uneven, to call this an "ad" for EBSCO, when you don't seem to have the same criticism for all the rest of the GS results that lead to publisher websites for content you don't have rights to - aren't all of those "ads" for those publishers' products too? What's the difference?
Just that EBSCO is an aggregator?  Would you feel better about it if they did the same for other aggregators? Because when testing this very example, I also saw a similar link into Proquest and I might have seen one for Gale too but am less sure about that.
And then what about JSTOR? It's an aggregator too, for the vast majority of GS JSTOR results (although they are the primary full-text host for some journals).

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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:14 PM Harper, Cynthia <charper at vts.edu<mailto:charper at vts.edu>> wrote:
In our case, we don’t have access to this article through EBSCO, so it is problematic that Google Scholar is providing an EBSCO ad for this article.

Cindy Harper

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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 8:45 AM
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Cc: eril-l at lists.eril-l.org<mailto:eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
Subject: Re: [Eril-l] Google Scholar adding EBSCO links that don't work

Both of these actually worked just fine for us.
Actually both ebscohost citations were buried under "all 4 versions" as the only result that displayed at first for both was to Taylor & Francis, where we do have the full text access (and GS may know that from our liblinks connection).
But when I opened the list of all versions and tried the EBSCO ones, they both successfully led into our EBSCO EDS profile to those two particular articles.
It's a bit odd to me why it would take us to EDS and not EBSCOhost-Academic Search Complete - I wonder how Google/EBSCO are deciding which EBSCO profile to default to?

We don't have the full text directly in EBSCO (aka via SmartLink) but getting the patron into EDS means they get to our Full Text Finder link so they're just one more click away from the full text.
So for us at least, this current setup is leading to a good user experience. If we hadn't had the T&F full text this might have gotten our patrons to another FT option or even our ILL form most easily.

Melissa Belvadi
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University of Prince Edward Island
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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:30 PM James C. Miller <millerjc at hollins.edu<mailto:millerjc at hollins.edu>> wrote:
Hi All,

I've talked to EBSCO and they told me to contact Google Scholar. EBSCO says that Google Scholar has it set up so that EBSCO access points appear regardless of availability. I've submitted a Google Scholar contact form, but I have little faith. Here are a few examples.

If you search these two article titles, you'll see an EBSCO host [pdf] but the EBSCO link doesn't work

  1.  Since Sandy Hook: Strategic Maneuvering in the Gun Control Debate
  2.  Dis-Honoring the Dead: Negotiating Decorum in the Shadow of Sandy Hook
Has anyone experienced this?

Thank you,
James

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