[Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?

Thu Aug 8 09:02:10 PDT 2019

I just asked my ACS rep about tokens and he said you can only get tokens if
you also subscribe to a package. We want to use tokens *instead of*
subscriptions,
not *in addition to* subscriptions.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM Susan Wiegand <swiegand at saintmarys.edu>
wrote:

> ACS uses Document Delivery from FIZ Autodoc in Germany:
> https://www.stn-international.org/autodoc_doc_delivery0.html
>
> Several years ago, we set this up so our ILL dept. can mediate access to
> ACS documents. Not ideal, but thought others might be interested. It works
> well enough.
> I wrote an ACRLog blog post on our process (2013, so a bit dated now, but
> it gives the process we went through): https://acrlog.org/tag/acs/
>
> There still seems to be a lot of interest in ACS journal access, though.
> We also have other journals (also SciFinder, and Web of Science now) that
> work with the ACS requirements.
> Sue
>
> Sue Wiegand
> Periodicals Librarian
> 123 Cushwa-Leighton Library
> Saint Mary's College
> Notre Dame, IN 46556
> 574.284.4789
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:42 AM Melissa Belvadi <mbelvadi at upei.ca> wrote:
>
>> We just had to drop from full title list to a subset as of 2019, with
>> tokens, so I just recently investigated some of this. No, there is still no
>> mediated option for tokens, nor any way for librarians to control how they
>> get used - anyone in our IP range accessing any eligible content can
>> trigger them with no limits.  There is no such "filing cabinet". I can't
>> speak to pricing or expiration because our consortially negotiated deal
>> just gives us a fixed amount of tokens per year as part of a subscription
>> package, so there is no separate price for the tokens themselves.  We have
>> no budget to purchase more after those are used up, so I haven't looked at
>> what it might cost us to get more.
>> I don't even know if we can get any kind of report on what
>> journals/articles they are used on.
>>
>> Melissa Belvadi
>> Collections Librarian
>> University of Prince Edward Island
>> mbelvadi at upei.ca  902-566-0581
>> my public calendar
>> <http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mbelvadi%40upei.ca&ctz=America/Halifax&mode=week>
>> Make an appointment <https://mbelvadi.youcanbook.me/> via YouCanBookMe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM J Siemon <jsiemon2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone seen changes in the American Chemical Society's token access
>>> since this eril-l discussion in May 2018?
>>>
>>> Is ACS offering the tokens that can be mediated by staff (like
>>> Elsevier)?
>>> Is there a "filing cabinet" (like IEEE) where the library only pays once
>>> for each article, and have perpetual access thereafter, for a certain
>>> number of saved articles?
>>> Pricing? Caps on increases? Longer expiration of tokens?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Siemon, M.Div.,MLS  |  Assoc. Professor, Electronic Resources
>>> Librarian  |  Nicholson Library
>>> Anderson University  |  1100 E. Fifth St, Anderson, IN 46012
>>> josiemon at anderson.edu | library.anderson.edu  |
>>> www.linkedin.com/in/JeffSiemon
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> > *From:* Eril-l <eril-l-bounces at lists.eril-l.org> on behalf of Jackie
>>> S.
>>> > DeLong <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>
>>> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:45 AM
>>> > *To:* eril-l at lists.eril-l.org
>>> > *Subject:* [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
>>> >
>>> > I have suggested to American Chemical Society adding a pay-per-view
>>> option
>>> > instead of their subscription packages.  I?m told they don?t offer that
>>> > option.  I?m just wondering, how many schools out there would be
>>> interested
>>> > in a Pay-per-view option of ACS titles?  We are a very small school,
>>> and
>>> > the prices for ACS are not sustainable and are very hard to justify
>>> outside
>>> > accreditation requirements.  I?m feeling very frustrated actually.  Am
>>> I
>>> > the only one??
>>> >
>>> > Venting, and also want to see how many others feel the same way and
>>> what
>>> > you have done to offset the cost.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Jackie DeLong
>>> > *Director of Resource Management*
>>> > *Miller Library | Washington College*
>>> > 300 Washington Ave. Chestertown, MD 21620
>>> > (410) 778-7278 | jdelong2 at washcoll.edu
>>>
>>> " The other thing that drives me nuts is that every time a person opens
>>> an article from an ACS journal that needs a token for access, counts as one
>>> token. This is problematic!!! Students will open another browser, reopen an
>>> article multiple times, share a link with a classmate, or if a single
>>> article is posted on a course page or used in class, the single article
>>> could result in 100s of openings without actually reading the article. Each
>>> of ?usages? counts as a token."
>>>
>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:45:07 -0500
>>> From: danielle plumer <dcplumer at gmail.com>
>>> To: "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
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>>> > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?They do sort of have a pay-per-view option, by purchasing groups of
>>> > tokens. They are also not cheap. I'd be more interested in notifying
>>> our
>>> > patrons which titles are included in our subscriptions and which ones
>>> are
>>> > not. We have the Academic Collection w/250 tokens, but there's no way
>>> to
>>> > indicate to users which ones we have access to and which will use a
>>> token.
>>>
>>> > Leslie D. Burke
>>> > Collection Development & Digital Integration Librarian
>>> > College Library
>>> > Kalamazoo College
>>> > 1200 Academy St.
>>> > Kalamazoo, MI 49006
>>> > Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu
>>> > ph: 269.337.7144
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 14:56:01 +0000
>>> From: Theresa Borchert <borchert at cord.edu>
>>> To: Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>, "Jackie S. DeLong"
>>>         <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>, "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org"
>>>         <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
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>>>
>>> We had to drop from full access to a few titles and the token option a
>>> few years ago. I identified our ?owned? titles in WorldCat KB so when
>>> finding ACS titles in WorldCat Discovery patrons will only get full-text
>>> links to ACS titles we have access to. I also talk with our Chemistry
>>> faculty and in classes about this problem. However, this does not help
>>> token access for direct access at ACS website and SciFinder Scholar. Google
>>> Scholar is a bit better since our on-campus computers are set with our
>>> College settings in Google Scholar.
>>>
>>> The ACS costs are prohibitive and unrealistic. Any percentage increase
>>> is unsustainable on budgets that have not had increases in years. Just do
>>> the math! Our savings a few years ago are now totally eaten away.
>>>
>>> The other thing that drives me nuts is that every time a person opens an
>>> article from an ACS journal that needs a token for access, counts as one
>>> token. This is problematic!!! Students will open another browser, reopen an
>>> article multiple times, share a link with a classmate, or if a single
>>> article is posted on a course page or used in class, the single article
>>> could result in 100s of openings without actually reading the article. Each
>>> of ?usages? counts as a token.
>>>
>>> sigh
>>>
>>> Theresa Borchert, Librarian
>>> Concordia College
>>> Moorhead, MN 56562
>>> 1-218-299-3235
>>> -----------------
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 12:21:47 -0300
>>> From: Melissa Belvadi <mbelvadi at upei.ca>
>>> To: Leslie Burke <Leslie.Burke at kzoo.edu>
>>> Cc: "Jackie S. DeLong" <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>,
>>>         "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
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>>>
>>> Just took a look at our last invoice for Web Editions and our 2017
>>> COUNTER
>>> JR1, and we're running about $6 per ft use, so I'd guess they would not
>>> be
>>> willing to have a pay per view below that.
>>> Most of us probably can't reveal our actual contract price (nondisclosure
>>> agreements) but I don't think anything prohibits us from sharing our cost
>>> per use, so I'd be interested in how ours compares with others.
>>> We're a small university, under 5,000 FTE, without a graduate level
>>> program
>>> in chemistry.
>>>
>>> Melissa Belvadi
>>> Collections Librarian
>>> University of Prince Edward Island
>>> mbelvadi at upei.ca 902-566-0581
>>> --------------
>>> Lots of libraries sharing cost per use numbers from $6 to $47.
>>>
>>> -------------
>>> On May 10, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Karen Jensen <kljensen at alaska.edu<mailto:
>>> kljensen at alaska.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ... Those of us without opportunities to be part of these [consortia]
>>> systems have little bargaining power, especially since the same body that
>>> accredits our program sells us the content required for accreditation. How
>>> far is this really from a protection racket? But ACS members won't change
>>> it. In theory they could, right? It's a membership organization? There are
>>> more benefits to members than libraries see, apparently.
>>>
>>> Karen Jensen
>>> Collection Development Officer
>>> Rasmuson Library
>>> University of Alaska Fairbanks
>>> 907-474-6695
>>> kljensen at alaska.edu<mailto:kljensen at alaska.edu>
>>> --------------
>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:24:36 +0000
>>> From: Michael Qiu <M_Qiu at acs.org>
>>> To: Karen Jensen <kljensen at alaska.edu>
>>> Cc: "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
>>> Message-ID: <318F4384-F69D-4413-9239-F73B7A8E2526 at acs.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> My name is Michael Qiu and I?m the Library Relations Manager with ACS
>>> Publications. My role is to ensure your issues and concerns are addressed
>>> and shared with the appropriate people at ACS. I?m not a sales rep, nor do
>>> I know much about your pricing, tokens, packages, etc. I encourage all of
>>> you to reach out to your Account Managers to discuss any issues you might
>>> have around pricing, usage, etc. They are the best equip to help answer any
>>> of your questions and do not hesitate to ask them about different options.
>>>
>>> As a former academic librarian, I do understand there are some
>>> misconceptions around the ACS Approved Degree program. I wanted to provide
>>> some insight and links for more information.
>>>
>>> The Committee on Professional Training (CPT) is an ACS member based
>>> committee that sets the guidelines for approved bachelor?s degrees. ACS is
>>> not a degree accrediting body, therefore it?s called an approved degree.
>>> These guidelines are set by the members of the committee who are
>>> professors, instructors, etc. at colleges and universities.
>>>
>>> In 2015, the committee updated their guidelines, including the
>>> requirements for chemistry information resources. There is no requirement
>>> for ACS specific journals, but to have a suite of journals that cover the
>>> diverse nature of the chemical sciences from any publisher. There is more
>>> information on the guideline, section 4.4, page 8.
>>>
>>> CPT HomePage:
>>> https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/about/governance/committees/training.html
>>> (PDF) Degree Approval guidelines:
>>> https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/about/governance/committees/training/2015-acs-guidelines-for-bachelors-degree-programs.pdf
>>>
>>> I encourage anyone with feedback on the guidelines to contact the ACS
>>> Office of Professional Training. They have a dedicated email address,
>>> CPT at acs.org<mailto:CPT at acs.org>, to help answer any questions.
>>>
>>> If you ever need anything from ACS, please do not hesitate to reach out
>>> to me, your Account Manager, or our Customer Support & Services team. All
>>> my contact information is below, including my direct phone number.
>>>
>>> Best, Michael
>>>
>>> Michael Qiu, MLIS
>>> Library Relations Manager
>>> American Chemical Society, Publications Division
>>> 1155 16th Street NW | Washington, DC 20036
>>> Phone: +1 (202) 872-6386
>>> Mobile: +1 (202) 281-9115
>>> Email: M_Qiu at acs.org<mailto:M_Qiu at acs.org>
>>> ----
>>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:49:11 +0000
>>> From: "Beth M. Johns" <bmjohns at SVSU.edu>
>>> To: "Jackie S. DeLong" <jdelong2 at washcoll.edu>,
>>>         "eril-l at lists.eril-l.org" <eril-l at lists.eril-l.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Eril-l] ACS and pay-per-view - would you be interested?
>>>
>>> We subscribe to a package through our consortium. In my opinion, it gets
>>> good usage, though I'd need to look more closely to see which titles are
>>> actually being used (maybe it's just a few over and over? I don't really
>>> look unless someone higher up asks me to do so. ).  I've heard about the
>>> token approach, but would be interested in learning about a pay-per-view
>>> option if ACS would like to seriously discuss that option.
>>>
>>> Beth M. Johns, MLIS
>>> E-Resources Librarian
>>> Saginaw Valley State University
>>> Melvin J. Zahnow Library
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